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	[[Image:~~Joel_Wordsworth~~.jpg\|thumb\|Joel Wordsworth]]		[[Image:Joel Wordsworth.jpg\|thumb\|Joel Wordsworth]] '''Joel Wordsworth''' is a first generation ex-member of [[The Family International\|the Family International]]/[[Children of God\|Children of God]], and one of the [[Cult\|cult]]'s early [[:Category:Bible\|Bible]] teachers.
	'''Joel Wordsworth''' is a first generation ex-member of [[the Family International]]/[[Children of God]], and one of the [[cult]]'s early [[:Category:Bible\|Bible]] teachers.

	Wordsworth was [[~~excommunication~~\|excommunicated]] by [[David Berg]] in [[1975]]. In a [[Mo Letter]] titled {{pubs\|352\|The Uneager Beaver}} Berg said:		Wordsworth was [[Excommunication\|excommunicated]] by [[David Berg\|David Berg]] in [[1975\|1975]]. In a [[Mo Letter\|Mo Letter]] titled {{pubs\|352\|The Uneager Beaver}} Berg said:
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			<small style="color: green">74. </small>'''I'VE RECENTLY HAD TO EXCOMMUNICATE JOEL WORDSWORTH''' because his words were no longer worth what they used to be. From the time he forsook his interest in publishing MO Letters in the Northwest U.S. three or four years ago, when he was doing so well, he began to go astray.

	~~<div style="padding: 1em; margin: 10px; border: 2px dotted green;">~~		<small style="color: green">75. </small>'''JOEL BECAME MORE INTERESTED IN PUBLISHING HIS OWN WORDS''' and peculiar interpretations and strange doctrines than the Words of the Lord, and from that time on he began to be deceived for rejecting the Lord's Truth. For a long time we just ignored his wild ideas and hoped he'd repent and come to his senses after several gentle rebukes and chidings, but instead he grew steadily worse.
	<small style="color:green;">74. </small>'''~~I'VE RECENTLY HAD TO EXCOMMUNICATE~~ JOEL ~~WORDSWORTH~~''' ~~because his words were no longer worth what they used~~ to be. ~~From the~~ time he ~~forsook~~ his ~~interest in publishing MO Letters in the Northwest U.S. three or four years ago~~, ~~when~~ he ~~was doing so well, he began to go astray~~.

	<small style="color:green;">75. </small>'''~~JOEL BECAME MORE INTERESTED IN PUBLISHING HIS OWN WORDS~~''' and ~~peculiar interpretations and strange doctrines than the Words of the Lord~~, ~~and from that time on he began to be deceived for rejecting the Lord~~'s ~~Truth~~. ~~For a long time we just ignored his wild ideas~~ and ~~hoped~~ he'~~d repent~~ and ~~come to~~ his ~~senses after several gentle rebukes~~ and ~~chidings~~, ~~but instead he grew steadily worse~~.		<small style="color: green">76. </small>'''AT FIRST I JUST SAID, "LEAVE HIM ALONE. MY SHEEP KNOW MY VOICE''', and a stranger they will not follow. Those who follow him are not my sheep, so it's best to get rid of them anyway. Give him enough rope and he'll hang himself--he'll expose himself and his false doctrines and disloyalty to God's Words, and the sheep will see who's right."

	<small style="color:green;">76. </small>'''~~AT FIRST I JUST SAID,~~ "~~LEAVE HIM ALONE. MY SHEEP~~ KNOW ~~MY VOICE~~''', and ~~a stranger they will not follow. Those who follow him are not my sheep, so it~~'s ~~best~~ to ~~get rid of them anyway. Give him enough rope and he'll hang himself~~--~~he'll expose himself~~ and ~~his false doctrines~~ and ~~disloyalty to God's Words, and the sheep will see who's right~~."		<small style="color: green">77. </small>'''"BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM"''', and soon Joel's fruits became apparent, bringing dissension, division, disobedience, insubordination, subversion, disunity amongst brethren--an abomination to God (see Proverbs 6)--leading poor little ignorant sheep and a few old rebellious bottles astray and troubling some weak Colonies.

	<small style="color:green;">77. </small>'''"BY ~~THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM"~~''', and ~~soon Joel's fruits became apparent~~, ~~bringing dissension, division, disobedience, insubordination, subversion, disunity amongst brethren--an abomination~~ to ~~God (see Proverbs 6)--leading poor little ignorant sheep~~ and ~~a few old rebellious bottles astray and troubling some weak~~ Colonies.		<small style="color: green">78. </small>'''BUT FINALLY HE BEGAN TO EXPOSE HIMSELF BY DEFYING THE WORD OF THE LORD''' and openly condemning some of the latest Letters and contradicting and twisting their truths so blatantly despite many warnings, so that we had to excommunicate him from receiving them at all. He is now busy defying authority and going about the Colonies sowing further discord amongst brethren.

	<small style="color:green;">78. </small>'''BUT ~~FINALLY HE BEGAN TO~~ EXPOSE ~~HIMSELF BY DEFYING THE WORD~~ OF ~~THE LORD~~''' ~~and openly condemning some~~ of the ~~latest Letters~~ and ~~contradicting and twisting their truths so blatantly despite many warnings, so that we had to excommunicate him from receiving~~ them ~~at all. He~~ is ~~now busy defying authority and going about the Colonies sowing further discord amongst brethren~~.		<small style="color: green">79. </small>'''SO WE HAVE HAD TO NOT ONLY EXCOMMUNICATE HIM BUT ALSO EXPOSE HIM AND WARN YOU OF HIM.'''--As we shall with any others who defy the Words of the Lord. To neglect them and replace them with other words is almost as bad.

	<small style="color:green;">79. </small>'''SO WE HAVE HAD TO NOT ONLY EXCOMMUNICATE HIM BUT ALSO EXPOSE HIM AND WARN YOU OF HIM.'''--As we shall with any others who defy the Words of the Lord. To neglect them and replace them with other words is almost as bad.		*Source: {{pubs\|352\|The Uneager Beaver}} — by David Berg; ML#352 DO; 1975-10-14.

	*Source: {{pubs\|352\|The Uneager Beaver}} ~~—~~ by David Berg; ML#352 DO; 1975-10-14.
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			Former member George remembered Wordsworth from the [[Texas Soul Clinic\|Texas Soul Clinic]]:
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			Joel was always serious about physical fitness -- nearly as serious as he was about the Word. He typically wore a tight-fitting white t-shirt with kakhi pants; his hair was dark, kept short and combed straight back; he usually had a small ghotee. At the Ranch, I used to see him early in the morning, before most people were up, jogging, doing chin-ups, push-ups, and other exercises while reviewing his memory verses (he knew probably 1000's of individual Bible verses, as well as dozens of whole chapters, and, I think, even a whole book or two!). In those days, leadership did not "fraternize" with the rank and file, following Berg's example, who believed that "familiarity breeds contempt".

	~~Former member George remembered Wordsworth from the [[Texas Soul Clinic]]:~~		The most common remarks made by students in Joel's prophecy classes (his specialty) were "Wow!" and "Heavy!" -- but few could tell you what he said, much less what he meant when class was over. As someone once pointed out, the measure of a leader in the early COG was his ability to deliver a rebuke -- to cut someone to shreds with the Bible. In this sense, Joel was very much a man to be feared!

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	Joel was always serious about physical fitness -- nearly as serious as he was about the Word. He typically wore a tight-fitting white t-shirt with kakhi pants; his hair was dark, kept short and combed straight back; he usually had a small ghotee. At the Ranch, I used to see him early in the morning, before most people were up, jogging, doing chin-ups, push-ups, and other exercises while reviewing his memory verses (he knew probably 1000's of individual Bible verses, as well as dozens of whole chapters, and, I think, even a whole book or two!). In those days, leadership did not "fraternize" with the rank and file, following Berg's example, who believed that "familiarity breeds contempt".

	The most common remarks made by students in Joel's prophecy classes (his specialty) were "Wow!" and "Heavy!" -- but few could tell you what he said, much less what he meant when class was over. As someone once pointed out, the measure of a leader in the early COG was his ability to deliver a rebuke -- to cut someone to shreds with the Bible. In this sense, Joel was very much a man to be feared!

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			In a 1977 interview in [[:Category:Press:Christianity Today\|Christianity Today]] titled [[Christianity Today: The Children of God: Disciples of Deception\|"The Children of God: Disciples of Deception"]] former member Jack Wasson likened the excommunication of Wordsworth to "kicking the Bible out of the COG". He went on to explain, "practically all of the Bible lessons in the COG were written by Joel Wordsworth. Now his writings are contraband. The point is that COG theology is now based entirely on the MO letters."

	In a ~~1977 interview in~~ [[~~:Category:Press:Christianity Today~~\|~~Christianity Today~~]] ~~titled~~ [[~~Christianity Today: The Children of God: Disciples of Deception~~ \| ~~"The Children of God: Disciples of Deception"~~]] ~~former member Jack Wasson likened the excommunication of Wordsworth~~ to ~~"kicking the~~ Bible ~~out of the COG"~~. ~~He went on to explain~~, ~~"practically all of the Bible lessons in the COG were written by Joel~~ Wordsworth~~. Now~~ his ~~writings are contraband. The point is that COG theology is now based entirely on the MO letters~~."		Presently, Wordsworth is a frequent poster on the [[NewDayNews.com\|NewDayNews.com]] (NDN) message boards, where, more than thirty-years after leaving the cult, he attempts to convince others that Berg is still alive and that his [[Prophecy\|prophecies]] have yet to be fulfilled, frequently attempting to link Bible verses with Berg's Mo Letters. In his postings at NDN, Wordsworth and his wife Carmel describe a still living Berg as being held captive by [[Karen Zerby\|Karen Zerby]] and [[Steven Kelly\|Steven Kelly]].

	~~Presently,~~ Wordsworth is a frequent poster on the [[NewDayNews.com]] (NDN) message boards, where, more than thirty-years after leaving the cult, he attempts to convince others that Berg is still alive and that his [[prophecy\|prophecies]] have yet to be fulfilled, frequently attempting to link Bible verses with Berg's Mo Letters. In his postings at NDN, Wordsworth and his wife Carmel describe a still living Berg as being held captive by [[Karen Zerby]] and [[Steven Kelly]].		== Writings by Joel Wordsworth ==

	~~==Writings by Joel Wordsworth==~~		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/archive.cgi/read/21820 George, a summary of our words on Mo's "burial":]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/~~index~~.cgi/read/21820 George, a summary of our words on Mo's "burial":]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/archive.cgi/read/5427 Davidito's Death]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/archive.cgi/read/5427 Davidito's Death]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/archive.cgi/read/21762 UPDATE on "Davidito's Death"]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/~~index~~.cgi/read/21762 UPDATE on "Davidito's Death"]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/archive.cgi/read/21764 The difference 'tween Carmel&Joel over MO's grave!]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/~~index~~.cgi/read/21764 The difference 'tween Carmel&Joel over MO's grave!]

	[[Category:~~Current and Former Members~~]]		[[Category:Current_and_Former_Members]]

Panglossolalia: remove excerpt from Family publication which is not about Wordsworth

2007-11-10T16:54:43Z

remove excerpt from Family publication which is not about Wordsworth

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	*Source: {{pubs\|352\|The Uneager Beaver}} — by David Berg; ML#352 DO; 1975-10-14.		*Source: {{pubs\|352\|The Uneager Beaver}} — by David Berg; ML#352 DO; 1975-10-14.
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	~~A Question About "The Uneager Beaver!"~~

	82. Another question that came up was in regards to the MO Letter "The Uneager Beaver" (ML #352, printed in 1975). You might recall that in that Letter Dad got very upset about a story that a Family member wrote. So we asked the Lord if He could have Dad explain to us how the counsel in that Letter applies today, and what the difference is between that story and the stories that were printed recently in the Zine, for example, that were not exactly spirit stories.

	83. (Dad speaking:) Okay, how does that counsel in "The Uneager Beaver" relate to the things that the Lord's pouring out to the Family today? Well, dear Family, that Letter was good and helpful, and it was very good counsel. You might not recall the details of that Letter very well, but there were a lot of reasons why I was upset and disappointed with that story. For one‚ they had titled the story "Moses David's Squeeze Don't Jerk Color book," when in reality the story didn't contain one word of the MO Letter. It was supposed to be a parable based on the message of "Squeeze‚ Don't Jerk‚" but the overall message of the story was moderation. It was lukewarm, a horrible compromise, and nothing at all like the message of "Squeeze‚ Don't Jerk." In the Letter "Squeeze, Don't Jerk," I'm telling you to go slow, so even the whole theme of the story was off, and they had missed the whole point of "Squeeze, Don't Jerk."

	84. Then not only that, the story itself was stupid, ridiculous, silly, unscriptural, frothy, insipid and a total waste of time! It was about a lazy beaver wandering around in the forest wondering what name he should call himself. Just the setting in itself is completely ridiculous and couldn't be further from the truth. When have you ever seen a lazy beaver? They just don't exist! And why would a beaver be wandering around in the forest wondering what to call himself when he'd already been named by Adam?! So the whole foundation, the starting point of that so-called parable, was false; it was a lie. That story was not inspired by the Lord, it was inspired by the Enemy!

	85. The children's pub team at that time had spent hours and hours and hours preparing that ridiculous story and illustrating it to the hilt. But when I saw it, when it was sent to me for final approval, it was clear that all their time and effort and energy had been wasted. It was a total loss! And then, to try to pass that stupid story off as a MO Letter, as the Word of God, was an insult, a slap in the face to me and the Lord! We wanted to feed our children the Words of the Lord, the MO Letters, the dreams and visions and stories that the Lord had given me in the Letters—the true Words from the Lord. So for that pubs team to waste their time and energy and effort on something so shallow and false exposed their lack of spirituality and depth in the Lord.

	86. Yes, I was furious at that time, but it was not because somebody took the time to write a story. It was because somebody took so much time to write, edit and illustrate a story that was a lie, that wasn't even based on good, sound, spiritual principles and the truth and the Word of God. And then they had the gall and the nerve to put a MO Letter title on it and credit it to me, calling it "Moses David's Squeeze Don't Jerk," so that all the children would have read that silly story and put it on par and given it as much credibility as the stories that they read in the MO Letters! It was ridiculous, and it was a trick of the Enemy to lead the children astray and to weaken their faith in the Word of the Lord and the parables of Jesus and the MO Letters.

	87. We've printed stories for the children and the young people in recent years that weren't necessarily spirit stories, they weren't received in prophecy, but they were still good stories. They were inspired by the Lord and based on sound spiritual principles‚ based on the Word. They weren't a figment of somebody's crazy imagination‚ or worse yet, inspired by the Devil.

	88. Just because we're now receiving spirit stories—stories from our Heavenly helpers, dictated from the Heavenly realm—doesn't mean that the stories printed earlier that were written by Family members or others are not good, or that there's anything wrong with them. The Lord is allowing you to receive stories now from the spirit world via prophecy because there's such a great need, and that method is so much faster. You also don't have to be gifted with writing ability, and you don't even have to be in WS. Anybody in the Family who has the faith and the burden can now receive stories and help to feed our children.

	89. So I hope that helps to answer your question and bring things into proper perspective, so you don't criticize the stories that have been printed in the past—even the not-so-distant past, in the Zine, for example—just because they aren't exactly spirit stories. They're still good stories based on the truth with a lot of good, sound, Scriptural lessons. But now one of the Zine editors, Jasmine, has become one of our spirit story writers, and I'm sure she would testify that receiving stories from beyond via prophecy is faster, more efficient, and a much better method.

	90. It's a new day! The Lord is doing new things. There's a greater need today. We need these stories. We need that extra news from Heaven, and we need these things that the Lord is pouring out. We weren't quite ready for Heavenly stories back in 1975. Timing is important. Now it's a new day, and the Lord's doing all kinds of new things. And the key in that statement is the Lord! The Lord's doing new things! He's the One that's inspiring these stories! He's the One that's pouring them down. He wasn't the one pouring down or inspiring "The Uneager Beaver" story. So that's the difference. (End of message from Dad.)

	91. (Mama:) So there you have it! The Lord is doing a new thing! This project is ordained and designed by Him‚ and it's going to accomplish His purpose of feeding and inspiring our children—and all of us! If the Lord is calling you and putting the burden in your heart to become a channel and let the Heavenly storytellers beam down their messages through you, then please take the time to stop and listen, and open your mind and heart and receive what they have to give you. And all of you can pray and ask the Lord to help and anoint those who are receiving and working on preparing and publishing the stories! There's so much coming down the Heavenly pipeline‚ and we'll be trying our best to get it to you as quickly as we can! Thanks for your prayers and your participation! I love you!

	*Source: {{pubs\|3219\|Spirit Stories--Part 2}} — by [[Karen Zerby]]; ML#3129 (Maria#389) DO/TS; 1997-04.
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Indian Joe: /* Writings by Joel Wordsworth */

2007-11-08T21:18:01Z

Writings by Joel Wordsworth

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	==Writings by Joel Wordsworth==		==Writings by Joel Wordsworth==
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21820 George, a summary of our words on Mo's "burial":]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21820 George, a summary of our words on Mo's "burial":]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/~~index~~.cgi/read/5427 Davidito's Death]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/archive.cgi/read/5427 Davidito's Death]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21762 UPDATE on "Davidito's Death"]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21762 UPDATE on "Davidito's Death"]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21764 The difference 'tween Carmel&Joel over MO's grave!]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21764 The difference 'tween Carmel&Joel over MO's grave!]

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Thorwald: more info.

2007-08-04T09:10:45Z

more info.

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 '''Joel Wordsworth''' is a first generation ex-member of [[the Family International]]/[[Children of God]], and one of the [[cult]]'s early [[:Category:Bible|Bible]] teachers.
-Wordsworth was [[excommunication|excommunicated]] by [[David Berg]] in [[1975]].  In a [[Mo Letter]] titled [[The Uneager Beaver]] Berg said:
+Wordsworth was [[excommunication|excommunicated]] by [[David Berg]] in [[1975]]. In a [[Mo Letter]] titled {{pubs|352|The Uneager Beaver}} Berg said:
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 <small style="color:green;">74. </small>'''I'VE RECENTLY HAD TO EXCOMMUNICATE JOEL WORDSWORTH''' because his words were no longer worth what they used to be. From the time he forsook his interest in publishing MO Letters in the Northwest U.S. three or four years ago, when he was doing so well, he began to go astray.
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 <small style="color:green;">78. </small>'''BUT FINALLY HE BEGAN TO EXPOSE HIMSELF BY DEFYING THE WORD OF THE LORD''' and openly condemning some of the latest Letters and contradicting and twisting their truths so blatantly despite many warnings, so that we had to excommunicate him from receiving them at all. He is now busy defying authority and going about the Colonies sowing further discord amongst brethren.
 <small style="color:green;">79. </small>'''SO WE HAVE HAD TO NOT ONLY EXCOMMUNICATE HIM BUT ALSO EXPOSE HIM AND WARN YOU OF HIM.'''--As we shall with any others who defy the Words of the Lord. To neglect them and replace them with other words is almost as bad.
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Indian Joe: /* Writings by Joel Wordsworth */ Fixed NDN Links

2007-05-08T21:22:49Z

Writings by Joel Wordsworth: Fixed NDN Links

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	==Writings by Joel Wordsworth==		==Writings by Joel Wordsworth==
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21820 George, a summary of our words on Mo's "burial":]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21820 George, a summary of our words on Mo's "burial":]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/~~archive~~.cgi/read/5427 Davidito's Death]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/5427 Davidito's Death]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21762 UPDATE on "Davidito's Death"]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21762 UPDATE on "Davidito's Death"]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21764 The difference 'tween Carmel&Joel over MO's grave!]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21764 The difference 'tween Carmel&Joel over MO's grave!]

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Indian Joe: /* Writings by Joel Wordsworth */ NDN Open House > Archive. Fixed Link.

2006-06-15T00:52:41Z

Writings by Joel Wordsworth: NDN Open House > Archive. Fixed Link.

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	==Writings by Joel Wordsworth==		==Writings by Joel Wordsworth==
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21820 George, a summary of our words on Mo's "burial":]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21820 George, a summary of our words on Mo's "burial":]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/~~index~~.cgi/read/5427 Davidito's Death]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/archive.cgi/read/5427 Davidito's Death]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21762 UPDATE on "Davidito's Death"]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21762 UPDATE on "Davidito's Death"]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21764 The difference 'tween Carmel&Joel over MO's grave!]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21764 The difference 'tween Carmel&Joel over MO's grave!]

	[[Category:Current and Former Members]]		[[Category:Current and Former Members]]

Indian Joe: Changed "External Links" to "Writings by Joel Wordsworth"

2006-02-13T14:18:44Z

Changed "External Links" to "Writings by Joel Wordsworth"

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	Presently, Wordsworth is a frequent poster on the [[NewDayNews.com]] (NDN) message boards, where, more than thirty-years after leaving the cult, he attempts to convince others that Berg is still alive and that his [[prophecy\|prophecies]] have yet to be fulfilled, frequently attempting to link Bible verses with Berg's Mo Letters. In his postings at NDN, Wordsworth and his wife Carmel describe a still living Berg as being held captive by [[Karen Zerby]] and [[Steven Kelly]].		Presently, Wordsworth is a frequent poster on the [[NewDayNews.com]] (NDN) message boards, where, more than thirty-years after leaving the cult, he attempts to convince others that Berg is still alive and that his [[prophecy\|prophecies]] have yet to be fulfilled, frequently attempting to link Bible verses with Berg's Mo Letters. In his postings at NDN, Wordsworth and his wife Carmel describe a still living Berg as being held captive by [[Karen Zerby]] and [[Steven Kelly]].

	==~~External Links~~==		==Writings by Joel Wordsworth==
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21820 George, a summary of our words on Mo's "burial":]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21820 George, a summary of our words on Mo's "burial":]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/5427 Davidito's Death ~~By Joel Wordsworth~~]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/5427 Davidito's Death]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21762 UPDATE on "Davidito's Death" ~~by Joel Wordsworth~~]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21762 UPDATE on "Davidito's Death"]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21764 The difference 'tween Carmel&Joel over MO's grave! ~~by Joel Wordsworth~~]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21764 The difference 'tween Carmel&Joel over MO's grave!]

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Indian Joe: Added Link

2006-02-13T13:35:23Z

Added Link

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	==External Links==		==External Links==
			*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21820 George, a summary of our words on Mo's "burial":]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/5427 Davidito's Death By Joel Wordsworth]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/5427 Davidito's Death By Joel Wordsworth]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21762 UPDATE on "Davidito's Death" by Joel Wordsworth]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21762 UPDATE on "Davidito's Death" by Joel Wordsworth]

Indian Joe: More stuff from Joel. Apparently this article has him stirred up. Deleted the Carmel posts, might use them in an article about her.

2006-02-11T18:02:37Z

More stuff from Joel. Apparently this article has him stirred up. Deleted the Carmel posts, might use them in an article about her.

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	==External Links==		==External Links==
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/5427 Davidito's Death By Joel Wordsworth]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/5427 Davidito's Death By Joel Wordsworth]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/~~11072 BELIEVE Mo~~'s ~~dead is the perfect word!,~~ by ~~Carmel~~ Wordsworth]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21762 UPDATE on "Davidito's Death" by Joel Wordsworth]
	*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/~~11073 Believe~~ MO's ~~dead~~ by ~~Carmel~~ Wordsworth]		*[http://www.newdaynews.com/openhouse/index.cgi/read/21764 The difference 'tween Carmel&Joel over MO's grave! by Joel Wordsworth]

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Indian Joe at 05:10, 11 February 2006

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	In a 1977 interview in [[:Category:Press:Christianity Today\|Christianity Today]] titled [[Christianity Today: The Children of God: Disciples of Deception \| "The Children of God: Disciples of Deception"]] former member Jack Wasson likened the excommunication of Wordsworth ~~amounted~~ to "kicking the Bible out of the COG". He went on to explain, "practically all of the Bible lessons in the COG were written by Joel Wordsworth. Now his writings are contraband. The point is that COG theology is now based entirely on the MO letters."		In a 1977 interview in [[:Category:Press:Christianity Today\|Christianity Today]] titled [[Christianity Today: The Children of God: Disciples of Deception \| "The Children of God: Disciples of Deception"]] former member Jack Wasson likened the excommunication of Wordsworth to "kicking the Bible out of the COG". He went on to explain, "practically all of the Bible lessons in the COG were written by Joel Wordsworth. Now his writings are contraband. The point is that COG theology is now based entirely on the MO letters."

	Presently, Wordsworth is a frequent poster on the [[NewDayNews.com]] (NDN) message boards, where, more than thirty-years after leaving the cult, he attempts to convince others that Berg is still alive and that his [[prophecy\|prophecies]] have yet to be fulfilled, frequently attempting to link Bible verses with Berg's Mo Letters. In his postings at NDN, Wordsworth and his wife Carmel describe a still living Berg as being held captive by [[Karen Zerby]] and [[Steven Kelly]].		Presently, Wordsworth is a frequent poster on the [[NewDayNews.com]] (NDN) message boards, where, more than thirty-years after leaving the cult, he attempts to convince others that Berg is still alive and that his [[prophecy\|prophecies]] have yet to be fulfilled, frequently attempting to link Bible verses with Berg's Mo Letters. In his postings at NDN, Wordsworth and his wife Carmel describe a still living Berg as being held captive by [[Karen Zerby]] and [[Steven Kelly]].